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		<title>By: redredday</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/2007/09/16/great-freelancing-article/comment-page-1/#comment-6107</link>
		<dc:creator>redredday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh that would be a great topic on top of the Artists Online series. so true what you say about being devalued when you&#039;re not making money from it. i guess it also has to do with how seriously you take yourself too so people could see what is important to you and respect what you&#039;re doing with your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh that would be a great topic on top of the Artists Online series. so true what you say about being devalued when you&#39;re not making money from it. i guess it also has to do with how seriously you take yourself too so people could see what is important to you and respect what you&#39;re doing with your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/2007/09/16/great-freelancing-article/comment-page-1/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsay wrote:

&quot;Interesting discussion. In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.&quot;

We did a little bit of this at college but in hindsight, there definitely wasn&#039;t enough of that nuts and bolts practical stuff.

&quot;In the Making&quot; by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.&quot; 

Ooh, I love that book. I got it out off the college library and read it from cover to cover but it was so good that I&#039;ll probably buy a copy at some point.

&quot;Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.&quot;

It&#039;s sad, isn&#039;t it. A lot of very talented people from my course seem to have pretty much given up on their art. It&#039;s not that I think that everyone who does an art degree should be an artist - I know there&#039;s a high attrition rate and there are plenty of other useful things that an art degree helps you do - but I was quite surprised at some of the people who quit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsay wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Interesting discussion. In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.&#8221;</p>
<p>We did a little bit of this at college but in hindsight, there definitely wasn&#8217;t enough of that nuts and bolts practical stuff.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the Making&#8221; by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ooh, I love that book. I got it out off the college library and read it from cover to cover but it was so good that I&#8217;ll probably buy a copy at some point.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad, isn&#8217;t it. A lot of very talented people from my course seem to have pretty much given up on their art. It&#8217;s not that I think that everyone who does an art degree should be an artist &#8211; I know there&#8217;s a high attrition rate and there are plenty of other useful things that an art degree helps you do &#8211; but I was quite surprised at some of the people who quit.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty Hall</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/2007/09/16/great-freelancing-article/comment-page-1/#comment-6795</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsty Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsay wrote:

&quot;Interesting discussion. In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.&quot;

We did a little bit of this at college but in hindsight, there definitely wasn&#039;t enough of that nuts and bolts practical stuff.

&quot;In the Making&quot; by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.&quot; 

Ooh, I love that book. I got it out off the college library and read it from cover to cover but it was so good that I&#039;ll probably buy a copy at some point.

&quot;Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.&quot;

It&#039;s sad, isn&#039;t it. A lot of very talented people from my course seem to have pretty much given up on their art. It&#039;s not that I think that everyone who does an art degree should be an artist - I know there&#039;s a high attrition rate and there are plenty of other useful things that an art degree helps you do - but I was quite surprised at some of the people who quit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsay wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Interesting discussion. In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.&#8221;</p>
<p>We did a little bit of this at college but in hindsight, there definitely wasn&#8217;t enough of that nuts and bolts practical stuff.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the Making&#8221; by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ooh, I love that book. I got it out off the college library and read it from cover to cover but it was so good that I&#8217;ll probably buy a copy at some point.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad, isn&#8217;t it. A lot of very talented people from my course seem to have pretty much given up on their art. It&#8217;s not that I think that everyone who does an art degree should be an artist &#8211; I know there&#8217;s a high attrition rate and there are plenty of other useful things that an art degree helps you do &#8211; but I was quite surprised at some of the people who quit.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/2007/09/16/great-freelancing-article/comment-page-1/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion.  In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.  I&#039;m glad.  I learned through the University of Hard Knocks.  These courses go past the usual &quot;how to write a resume&quot; or &quot;how to take decent slides of your work.&quot;  They get into the nuts and bolts, including taxes, how to set yourself up as a business, how to keep financial records, what to know about copyrights, etc.  I was better prepared than many of my fellow students as most in my family are self employed. 

&quot;In the Making&quot; by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.  She interviews a range of artists  to see how they go about making their work, promoting it, and even whether they have health insurance - a big problem in the US.  It poses more questions than it answers, but I think that&#039;s what makes being a self-employed person so interesting.  There isn&#039;t a formula, just different approaches.  

Yesterday I bumped into a former student from when I taught at a local university.  Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.  The balance between earning a living and keeping a creative spirit alive and well kindled has proven to be too much.  It wasn&#039;t that they were ill prepared, but living the reality as an artist is a whole different prospect than thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion.  In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.  I&#8217;m glad.  I learned through the University of Hard Knocks.  These courses go past the usual &#8220;how to write a resume&#8221; or &#8220;how to take decent slides of your work.&#8221;  They get into the nuts and bolts, including taxes, how to set yourself up as a business, how to keep financial records, what to know about copyrights, etc.  I was better prepared than many of my fellow students as most in my family are self employed. </p>
<p>&#8220;In the Making&#8221; by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.  She interviews a range of artists  to see how they go about making their work, promoting it, and even whether they have health insurance &#8211; a big problem in the US.  It poses more questions than it answers, but I think that&#8217;s what makes being a self-employed person so interesting.  There isn&#8217;t a formula, just different approaches.  </p>
<p>Yesterday I bumped into a former student from when I taught at a local university.  Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.  The balance between earning a living and keeping a creative spirit alive and well kindled has proven to be too much.  It wasn&#8217;t that they were ill prepared, but living the reality as an artist is a whole different prospect than thinking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/2007/09/16/great-freelancing-article/comment-page-1/#comment-6794</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion.  In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.  I&#039;m glad.  I learned through the University of Hard Knocks.  These courses go past the usual &quot;how to write a resume&quot; or &quot;how to take decent slides of your work.&quot;  They get into the nuts and bolts, including taxes, how to set yourself up as a business, how to keep financial records, what to know about copyrights, etc.  I was better prepared than many of my fellow students as most in my family are self employed. 

&quot;In the Making&quot; by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.  She interviews a range of artists  to see how they go about making their work, promoting it, and even whether they have health insurance - a big problem in the US.  It poses more questions than it answers, but I think that&#039;s what makes being a self-employed person so interesting.  There isn&#039;t a formula, just different approaches.  

Yesterday I bumped into a former student from when I taught at a local university.  Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.  The balance between earning a living and keeping a creative spirit alive and well kindled has proven to be too much.  It wasn&#039;t that they were ill prepared, but living the reality as an artist is a whole different prospect than thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion.  In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.  I&#8217;m glad.  I learned through the University of Hard Knocks.  These courses go past the usual &#8220;how to write a resume&#8221; or &#8220;how to take decent slides of your work.&#8221;  They get into the nuts and bolts, including taxes, how to set yourself up as a business, how to keep financial records, what to know about copyrights, etc.  I was better prepared than many of my fellow students as most in my family are self employed. </p>
<p>&#8220;In the Making&#8221; by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.  She interviews a range of artists  to see how they go about making their work, promoting it, and even whether they have health insurance &#8211; a big problem in the US.  It poses more questions than it answers, but I think that&#8217;s what makes being a self-employed person so interesting.  There isn&#8217;t a formula, just different approaches.  </p>
<p>Yesterday I bumped into a former student from when I taught at a local university.  Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.  The balance between earning a living and keeping a creative spirit alive and well kindled has proven to be too much.  It wasn&#8217;t that they were ill prepared, but living the reality as an artist is a whole different prospect than thinking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: redredday</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/2007/09/16/great-freelancing-article/comment-page-1/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>redredday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh that would be a great topic on top of the Artists Online series. so true what you say about being devalued when you&#039;re not making money from it. i guess it also has to do with how seriously you take yourself too so people could see what is important to you and respect what you&#039;re doing with your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh that would be a great topic on top of the Artists Online series. so true what you say about being devalued when you&#8217;re not making money from it. i guess it also has to do with how seriously you take yourself too so people could see what is important to you and respect what you&#8217;re doing with your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/2007/09/16/great-freelancing-article/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I agree, redredday, that drives me nuts too. I don&#039;t have a paid job at the moment because of health issues but I have done in the past and people would definitely fixate more on that than on my real work. As soon as people know that you &#039;don&#039;t make a proper living at it&#039;,  your art practice is often devalued in their eyes. 

Unfortunately the appalling or even non-existent pay structures in the artworld are yet another way in which artists aren&#039;t treated as &#039;real&#039; professionals. Hmmm, I&#039;m thinking that when I&#039;m done with the Artists Online Series, I might do a series about attitudes to money in the artworld.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I agree, redredday, that drives me nuts too. I don&#8217;t have a paid job at the moment because of health issues but I have done in the past and people would definitely fixate more on that than on my real work. As soon as people know that you &#8216;don&#8217;t make a proper living at it&#8217;,  your art practice is often devalued in their eyes. </p>
<p>Unfortunately the appalling or even non-existent pay structures in the artworld are yet another way in which artists aren&#8217;t treated as &#8216;real&#8217; professionals. Hmmm, I&#8217;m thinking that when I&#8217;m done with the Artists Online Series, I might do a series about attitudes to money in the artworld.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty Hall</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/2007/09/16/great-freelancing-article/comment-page-1/#comment-6793</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsty Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I agree, redredday, that drives me nuts too. I don&#039;t have a paid job at the moment because of health issues but I have done in the past and people would definitely fixate more on that than on my real work. As soon as people know that you &#039;don&#039;t make a proper living at it&#039;,  your art practice is often devalued in their eyes. 

Unfortunately the appalling or even non-existent pay structures in the artworld are yet another way in which artists aren&#039;t treated as &#039;real&#039; professionals. Hmmm, I&#039;m thinking that when I&#039;m done with the Artists Online Series, I might do a series about attitudes to money in the artworld.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I agree, redredday, that drives me nuts too. I don&#8217;t have a paid job at the moment because of health issues but I have done in the past and people would definitely fixate more on that than on my real work. As soon as people know that you &#8216;don&#8217;t make a proper living at it&#8217;,  your art practice is often devalued in their eyes. </p>
<p>Unfortunately the appalling or even non-existent pay structures in the artworld are yet another way in which artists aren&#8217;t treated as &#8216;real&#8217; professionals. Hmmm, I&#8217;m thinking that when I&#8217;m done with the Artists Online Series, I might do a series about attitudes to money in the artworld.</p>
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		<title>By: redredday</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/2007/09/16/great-freelancing-article/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>redredday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, i so agree! and maybe even worse when you are not technically a full-time professional artist/freelancer, but seen as doing your creative work on the side (heck, my 9-5 job is the side thing). it is aggravating when people think i have so much time in the world because they see that i have time to make art and/or update my blog. they forget that i *make* time for it on top of that 9-5 job. i don&#039;t mind my current work situation but it bothers me when people assume that the time after the 9-5 job is disposable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, i so agree! and maybe even worse when you are not technically a full-time professional artist/freelancer, but seen as doing your creative work on the side (heck, my 9-5 job is the side thing). it is aggravating when people think i have so much time in the world because they see that i have time to make art and/or update my blog. they forget that i *make* time for it on top of that 9-5 job. i don&#8217;t mind my current work situation but it bothers me when people assume that the time after the 9-5 job is disposable.</p>
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		<title>By: redredday</title>
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		<dc:creator>redredday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, i so agree! and maybe even worse when you are not technically a full-time professional artist/freelancer, but seen as doing your creative work on the side (heck, my 9-5 job is the side thing). it is aggravating when people think i have so much time in the world because they see that i have time to make art and/or update my blog. they forget that i *make* time for it on top of that 9-5 job. i don&#039;t mind my current work situation but it bothers me when people assume that the time after the 9-5 job is disposable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, i so agree! and maybe even worse when you are not technically a full-time professional artist/freelancer, but seen as doing your creative work on the side (heck, my 9-5 job is the side thing). it is aggravating when people think i have so much time in the world because they see that i have time to make art and/or update my blog. they forget that i *make* time for it on top of that 9-5 job. i don&#8217;t mind my current work situation but it bothers me when people assume that the time after the 9-5 job is disposable.</p>
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