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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/blog/2007/09/great-freelancing-article/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsay wrote:

"Interesting discussion. In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention."

We did a little bit of this at college but in hindsight, there definitely wasn't enough of that nuts and bolts practical stuff.

"In the Making" by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject." 

Ooh, I love that book. I got it out off the college library and read it from cover to cover but it was so good that I'll probably buy a copy at some point.

"Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art."

It's sad, isn't it. A lot of very talented people from my course seem to have pretty much given up on their art. It's not that I think that everyone who does an art degree should be an artist - I know there's a high attrition rate and there are plenty of other useful things that an art degree helps you do - but I was quite surprised at some of the people who quit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsay wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Interesting discussion. In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.&#8221;</p>
<p>We did a little bit of this at college but in hindsight, there definitely wasn&#8217;t enough of that nuts and bolts practical stuff.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the Making&#8221; by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ooh, I love that book. I got it out off the college library and read it from cover to cover but it was so good that I&#8217;ll probably buy a copy at some point.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad, isn&#8217;t it. A lot of very talented people from my course seem to have pretty much given up on their art. It&#8217;s not that I think that everyone who does an art degree should be an artist - I know there&#8217;s a high attrition rate and there are plenty of other useful things that an art degree helps you do - but I was quite surprised at some of the people who quit.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/blog/2007/09/great-freelancing-article/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion.  In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.  I'm glad.  I learned through the University of Hard Knocks.  These courses go past the usual "how to write a resume" or "how to take decent slides of your work."  They get into the nuts and bolts, including taxes, how to set yourself up as a business, how to keep financial records, what to know about copyrights, etc.  I was better prepared than many of my fellow students as most in my family are self employed. 

"In the Making" by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.  She interviews a range of artists  to see how they go about making their work, promoting it, and even whether they have health insurance - a big problem in the US.  It poses more questions than it answers, but I think that's what makes being a self-employed person so interesting.  There isn't a formula, just different approaches.  

Yesterday I bumped into a former student from when I taught at a local university.  Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.  The balance between earning a living and keeping a creative spirit alive and well kindled has proven to be too much.  It wasn't that they were ill prepared, but living the reality as an artist is a whole different prospect than thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion.  In the US, many colleges / universities require art students to take courses on the business of art for the very reasons you mention.  I&#8217;m glad.  I learned through the University of Hard Knocks.  These courses go past the usual &#8220;how to write a resume&#8221; or &#8220;how to take decent slides of your work.&#8221;  They get into the nuts and bolts, including taxes, how to set yourself up as a business, how to keep financial records, what to know about copyrights, etc.  I was better prepared than many of my fellow students as most in my family are self employed. </p>
<p>&#8220;In the Making&#8221; by Linda Weintraub is a great book on this subject.  She interviews a range of artists  to see how they go about making their work, promoting it, and even whether they have health insurance - a big problem in the US.  It poses more questions than it answers, but I think that&#8217;s what makes being a self-employed person so interesting.  There isn&#8217;t a formula, just different approaches.  </p>
<p>Yesterday I bumped into a former student from when I taught at a local university.  Those who have graduated have for the most part stopped making art.  The balance between earning a living and keeping a creative spirit alive and well kindled has proven to be too much.  It wasn&#8217;t that they were ill prepared, but living the reality as an artist is a whole different prospect than thinking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: redredday</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/blog/2007/09/great-freelancing-article/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>redredday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh that would be a great topic on top of the Artists Online series. so true what you say about being devalued when you're not making money from it. i guess it also has to do with how seriously you take yourself too so people could see what is important to you and respect what you're doing with your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh that would be a great topic on top of the Artists Online series. so true what you say about being devalued when you&#8217;re not making money from it. i guess it also has to do with how seriously you take yourself too so people could see what is important to you and respect what you&#8217;re doing with your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/blog/2007/09/great-freelancing-article/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I agree, redredday, that drives me nuts too. I don't have a paid job at the moment because of health issues but I have done in the past and people would definitely fixate more on that than on my real work. As soon as people know that you 'don't make a proper living at it',  your art practice is often devalued in their eyes. 

Unfortunately the appalling or even non-existent pay structures in the artworld are yet another way in which artists aren't treated as 'real' professionals. Hmmm, I'm thinking that when I'm done with the Artists Online Series, I might do a series about attitudes to money in the artworld.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I agree, redredday, that drives me nuts too. I don&#8217;t have a paid job at the moment because of health issues but I have done in the past and people would definitely fixate more on that than on my real work. As soon as people know that you &#8216;don&#8217;t make a proper living at it&#8217;,  your art practice is often devalued in their eyes. </p>
<p>Unfortunately the appalling or even non-existent pay structures in the artworld are yet another way in which artists aren&#8217;t treated as &#8216;real&#8217; professionals. Hmmm, I&#8217;m thinking that when I&#8217;m done with the Artists Online Series, I might do a series about attitudes to money in the artworld.</p>
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		<title>By: redredday</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/blog/2007/09/great-freelancing-article/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>redredday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, i so agree! and maybe even worse when you are not technically a full-time professional artist/freelancer, but seen as doing your creative work on the side (heck, my 9-5 job is the side thing). it is aggravating when people think i have so much time in the world because they see that i have time to make art and/or update my blog. they forget that i *make* time for it on top of that 9-5 job. i don't mind my current work situation but it bothers me when people assume that the time after the 9-5 job is disposable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, i so agree! and maybe even worse when you are not technically a full-time professional artist/freelancer, but seen as doing your creative work on the side (heck, my 9-5 job is the side thing). it is aggravating when people think i have so much time in the world because they see that i have time to make art and/or update my blog. they forget that i *make* time for it on top of that 9-5 job. i don&#8217;t mind my current work situation but it bothers me when people assume that the time after the 9-5 job is disposable.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/blog/2007/09/great-freelancing-article/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"As great as the life is, there is another side which we all have to face. Rough with the smooth ‘n’ all."

Definitely. I don't know what it is about being an artist that leads people to expect that it'll all be fun and games. Perhaps it's because so many people do it as a hobby and imagine that doing it professionally will be the same sort of experience. But of course, it's not the same at all, any more than playing football professionally is the same as kicking a ball around the park with your mates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As great as the life is, there is another side which we all have to face. Rough with the smooth ‘n’ all.&#8221;</p>
<p>Definitely. I don&#8217;t know what it is about being an artist that leads people to expect that it&#8217;ll all be fun and games. Perhaps it&#8217;s because so many people do it as a hobby and imagine that doing it professionally will be the same sort of experience. But of course, it&#8217;s not the same at all, any more than playing football professionally is the same as kicking a ball around the park with your mates.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiaz</title>
		<link>http://kirstyhall.co.uk/blog/2007/09/great-freelancing-article/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention of my article. I think, despite the article having a web developer slant to it, it can be applied to anyone who works from home. 

As great as the life is, there is another side which we all have to face. Rough with the smooth 'n' all. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention of my article. I think, despite the article having a web developer slant to it, it can be applied to anyone who works from home. </p>
<p>As great as the life is, there is another side which we all have to face. Rough with the smooth &#8216;n&#8217; all. <img src='http://kirstyhall.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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